Proposed policy would seek Hawaiians’ input
Corps of Engineers considering mandate on aquatic and watershed permitsBy CHRIS HAMILTON, Staff Writer
KAHULUI — The Army Corps of Engineers is in the early stages of creating a self-imposed mandate to formally seek out the input of any and all Native Hawaiian groups before it makes decisions on aquatic and watershed permits that could significantly impact the islands and the ocean.
During a scheduled five-hour forum Saturday at Maui Community College, Corps Regulatory Program Manager Farley Watanabe said that the federal government is in the process of revising its regulations for who it must consult during the complicated and often long permitting process.
And the Army Corps wants Native Hawaiian organizations — from nonprofits and state agencies to ohanas, lineal descendants and individuals — to be included in that process for the first time, Watanabe said.
Fewer than 10 people attended the discussion, but most appeared to express agreement at one point or another with the Corps’ goals.
However, one of the problems shared by the Corps and Native Hawaiians is that Native Hawaiians are not certified with the U.S. Department of Interior as a American Indian tribe or Alaskan corporation, Watanabe said.
Without that formal designation, the 1992 National Historic Preservation Act does not grant Native Hawaiians the benefit of government-to-government diplomatic discussions when it comes to projects potentially affecting cultural as well as natural resources, Watanabe said.
That could change in the near future, however, if U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka’s Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act of 2007 passes Congress.
The so-called Akaka Bill would grant Native Hawaiians federal status similar to American Indian tribes.
Watanabe said there is another problem being wrestled with in Washington. The independent federal agency, the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation, which protects America’s historic resources, recognizes only the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, state island burial councils and the Hawaiian artifact group, Hui Malama, in its decision-making process.
The Corps doesn’t agree with the council’s narrow stance on whom to include in its debates since water, and all things surrounding it in Hawaii, is a cultural resource with significant historic properties, he said.
The Corps has jurisdiction over the nation’s navigable waters and public wetlands.
“This is exclusionary,” Watanabe said about the preservation council’s rules, to nodding approval from his audience.
“It doesn’t even come close to them doing the right thing, and they know it, and we disagree.”
The Corps’ proposed policy would broaden the definitions and throw a much wider net out for who would get notified when a permit application is taken out for a project such as a pier or dam.
“The Corps will talk to anybody else we know of who has a point of view,” Watanabe said.
“It can be one voice or an organization.”
Timmy Paulokaleioku Bailey, who is an expert in Hawaiian resource management through traditional practices, said it is vital that Hawaiians impart to these agencies how important it is for them to understand the Native Hawaiian perspective.
Education is key, he said.
For instance, ancient Hawaiian civilizations had their own natural resource management areas with individual water sources, much like today, he said.
“This is nothing new. It’s just different language,” Bailey said.
“We want them to know that all natural resources are cultural resources. . . . Pull the science out of it. Look at the Hawaiian side of it.”
There’s not even a document yet to debate, though, said facilitator Annelle Amaral.
When one is drafted, the Corps will hold public hearings, she said.
“Today is different,” Amaral said.
“We are used to chasing bulldozers from crisis to crisis. But we have advance warning on this.”
• Chris Hamilton can be reached at chamilton@mauinews.com.
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kainalu
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06-04-08 4:26 AM
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freeagain, after Katrina. almost everybody in New Orleans had at the very least, beach front property,and most had swimming pools in their living rooms. Wasn't that nice of the army corps to do for them? I heard it gets real hot there in the summertime. I can't wait till they show us how to build na lo'i..
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manaunui
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06-03-08 8:56 PM
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hui, anyone hungry for a recource and remedy to all these damages and injuries inflicted upon the people of hawaii, get a hold of your hawaiian kingdom government official and submit a complaint; Office of the Attorney General 155 Mamo Street Hilo, Hawaii, Kingdom of Hawaii Department of Interior 73-4303 Mamalahoa Highway Kona Akau, Hawaii, Kingdom of Hawaii or call the main access line for Aupuni Hawaii, these officials don't play these games and get results, this is there toll free no. 866-524-8551 or visit there website @ AupuniHawaii**** talk is just that these government officials have put the state and the US in check, i recommend you go to the general assembly meeting held every 2nd sunday of every month for the past 5 years, i have already recieved my motorist certificate, birth certificate and my national id and have seen and witness over 15 traffic cases against the citizens registered with Aupuni dismissed for lack of jurisdiction or acquitted.
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manaunui
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06-03-08 7:46 PM
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You know some may look at it as progress. Actually its more like regress. The poe kanaka no need army corps for do this or do that. We can do it our selves if you stop oppressing our people with your big guns. Who you think went build all the heiau, specially the one by kawaihae, and the fish ponds, and all the ahapuaa walls and so on!? The poe kanaka did, so we can handle our own kuleanas if you just take that big gun out of our face!
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tahtah
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06-03-08 4:31 PM
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Perhaps representatives from respective ahupua'a. Who else would be more knowledgeable than those who live within their ahupua'a, especially the generation upon generations.
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tahtah
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06-03-08 4:31 PM
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Perhaps representatives from respective ahupua'a. Who else would be more knowledgeable than those who live within their ahupua'a, especially the generation upon generations.
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tahtah
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06-03-08 3:06 PM
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There are some good groups and there are some nasty ones...same as us as individuals, some maika'i and some pilau. Whichever way we look at it...it equals "a losing battle" which will continue as long as there is Hawaiians.
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Keaweiwi
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06-03-08 2:16 PM
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****if we DO!****if we don't! For me, I say this with a caveat to the colonizers and their puppets, I going get involved and speak my mind and fight for our aina with my soul! No matter what, we going get pounded ova and ova again. Might as well give-um back to them!
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Keaweiwi
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06-03-08 2:11 PM
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E kala mai. When you look at this idea of "including" "Native Hawaiian Gropus" and the criteriaa, it appears encouraging because it projects the thought of "inclusion.' Most of us kanaka maoli know from experience that the poe haole Colonizers and their puppets here are going to do what they like; no matter if legal or not; moral or not; ethical or not! They will most likely say, oh we talked to the Hawaiians and in the end we all 'decided' after discussion that we going built this, hamo this, etc.
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tahtah
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06-03-08 12:38 PM
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Believe me, it's about time they, too, malama their kuleana. Before we had no say in any matter...a 100-year flood control plan set to paper, then built with minor alteration at the mouth of the kahawai, with a few days of constant rain, auwe noho'i e, plug up Mala Ramp. A constant 5-day rain brought numereous wailele to Lahaina (Mauna Kahalawai). Flooding in the area of Waiola Church...why even allow buildings to be laid flat on the lepo, when the surrounding buildings are off the lepo and has a history of flooding...is the raising of the buildings to protect the inhabitants from the insects? Geez....
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poholopu
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06-03-08 5:57 AM
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"It sounds like just political lip service or it would add more environmental red tape to get anything done for the good of the islands." I guess it would seem that way for people like you who have no idea how the Army Corp of Engineer screws up.
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manaunui
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06-03-08 3:09 AM
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Aloha, from a citizen of the original Kingdom of Hawaii. The answer is NO. Reasons are 1-The ocean as well as the aina is our livelyhood(subsistance), 2-The ocean as well as the aina is sacred to us poe kanaka, 3-You no own the lands or seas in and around the Kingdom of Hawaii, ETC... All state agencies and federally funded groups should be disqualified from representing the poe kanaka(original hawaiian people), because state is the federal and federal is the army. NO! mahalo a ke akua
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poholopu
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06-03-08 3:08 AM
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The Army Corp of Engineers ruined Kahoma Stream with their ugly flood control project and now the State is going to ruin Kahoma again with a 2 huge concrete bridges. Totally stupid and totally disrespectful of a stream that was responsible for sustaining Lahaina. The Army Corp of Engineers OWES Hawaiians the opportunity to be consulted with otherwise you got folks like Endofempire trashing Kahoma just like they trash their streams on the continent.
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lsom2000
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06-02-08 10:38 PM
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The whole state of hawaii is illegal
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myopinion
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06-02-08 8:36 PM
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It sounds like just political lip service or it would add more environmental red tape to get anything done for the good of the islands.
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Keaweiwi
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06-02-08 7:22 PM
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tahtah...lol, you're right! We were taught to be humble, and we had learned it well; it's just that when get abused repeatedly, a different kind of aloha comes out...the effects your actions have caused me to initiate!...MOKE ACTION!
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tahtah
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06-02-08 6:58 PM
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E Keaweiwi, we were taught to be humble, boy, we sure take a lot of humiliation to achieve humbleness, don't you think?
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Keaweiwi
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06-02-08 6:53 PM
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LOL...the GQ Whackos` are here! They're so red with jealousy, they can't see the the cliff their one foot just stepped off. You all should come to the next meeting and express yourselves.
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tahtah
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06-02-08 6:50 PM
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The Corp just didn't do their homework. What looks fabulous on paper does not necessarily look that way when its completed. They didn't listen to the local people and no background checks on the natural disasters that have affected the area(s), mainly, the FLOODING.
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FreeAgain
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06-02-08 6:45 PM
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If the Corp asserts its authority, there will be dancing in Maui's streets.
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tahtah
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06-02-08 6:43 PM
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EndofEmpire...I suppose you've come to the end of yours. FreeAgain...was that from the first marriage.... Enough nonsense. The Army Corp messed up big time in the Florida everglades by carving a path that would be more efficient for shipping. They ended up impacting the ecosystem of the everglades...everyone was wondering why was the everglades drying up. Duh. Another booboo was when the 6-states were inundated with flood waters...the Army Corp was da one again. Yes, they sure do have a history of messing up.
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EndofEmpire
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06-02-08 6:26 PM
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This is absolutely retarded. First, there is no such thing as "the Hawaiian perspective." That kind of thinking is racist to begin with. What? Every single Hawaiian thinks the same way? No wonder there is a unified, centralized sovereignty movement that speaks with one voice in Hawaii... Second, this is illegal. If there is a Hawaiian perspective, and it is shared by enough people, then the Hawaiian perspective candidate can be voted into elective office. Or maybe we have a constitutional amendment that adds "the Hawaiian perspective committee" as a fourth branch of government, co-equal to the legislative, judicial, and executive branches. Actually, that's effectively what just happened -- the corps just codified the tyranny of the minority and circumvented the democratic process.
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moreauislander
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06-02-08 6:14 PM
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Why all this "Native Hawaiian" dis n' "Native Hawaiian" dat? What other kine Hawaiian get?
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James1
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06-02-08 5:41 PM
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Am I dreaming? What a breath of fresh air!
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FreeAgain
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06-02-08 5:34 PM
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Maybe, just maybe! The Corp has a great record in the southeast of developing and maintaining water reserves. Yet, citizens still have access. If the Corp will help and the state says water is a public trust, there may be a day of reckoning for A&B. Love this quote: "...since water, and all things surrounding it in Hawaii, is a cultural resource with significant historic properties...." Thanks to those folks willing to take injustices to court.
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Keaweiwi
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06-02-08 5:33 PM
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We should all get involved with this to make sure it doesn;t turn out to be waha nui. If we don't, all this mahaoe not going stop.
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